Epic Game Store

[DeCoy]

player1 kaže:

Ma priznaj.... krivo ti je samo sto neces moci da farmujes njihove kartice.

Pre tri godine možda bi i nešto značilo, danas su kartice irelevantne jer ne vrede ništa.

Šteta, Phoenix Point bih verovatno i preorderovao, ovako ću da čekam tih godinu dana pa onda dok igra ne bude u nekom paketu (monthly)...

[White Ripper]

Ja se izvinjavam na offtopic-u, ali da li neko može da mi objasni zbog čega je odjednom počela ovolika pomama sa Epic game store-om i izbjegavanjem Steam-a od strane sve većeg broja izdavača igara?

[Sass Drake]

White Ripper kaže:

Ja se izvinjavam na offtopic-u, ali da li neko može da mi objasni zbog čega je odjednom počela ovolika pomama sa Epic game store-om i izbjegavanjem Steam-a od strane sve većeg broja izdavača igara?

Manja provizija (88/12 naspram 70/30 na Steamu) plus što imaju keša za eksuzivne ugovore iako u sam razvoj igre nisu ništa uložili.

[Exia]

White Ripper kaže:

Ja se izvinjavam na offtopic-u, ali da li neko može da mi objasni zbog čega je odjednom počela ovolika pomama sa Epic game store-om i izbjegavanjem Steam-a od strane sve većeg broja izdavača igara?

Ukratko kinezi imaju neograničen budzet i rešili su malo da se igraju digital storea, dakle daju gomile $$$$$$ developerima i izdavačima.

[Eni]

Um, ono kad sam nagađao da je reč o nekih $100.000... malkice sam omanuo.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/co...xclusivity_on/

Ukratko, koga mrzi da čita, na reditu su procenili na osnovu nekih tragova da je reč o najmanje 2 miliona dolara za tu godinu ekskluzivnosti.

[DeCoy]

[dex3108]

Epic Game Store, Spyware, Tracking, and You!

So I've been poking at the Epic Game Store for a little while now. I'd first urge anyone seeing this to check out this excellent little post to see how things go titsup when tencent gets involved. Of course, it shouldn't even need to be stated that they have very heavy ties to the Chinese government, who do all sorts of wonderful things for their people, like building hard labor camps creating employment opportunities for minorities and Muslims, and harvesting organs from political prisoners for profit redistributing biomatter to help those less fortunate.

But this isn't about that, this is about what I've found after poking the Epic Game Store client for a bit. Keep in mind that I am a rank amateur - if any actual experts here want to look at what I've scraped and found, shoot me a DM and I can send you what I've got.

One of the first things I noticed is that EGS likes to enumerate running processes on your computer. As you can see, there aren't many in my case; I set up a fresh laptop for this. This is a tad worrying - what do they need that information for? And why is it trying to access DLLs in the directories of some of my applications?

More worrying is that it really likes reading about your root certificates. Like, a lot.

In fact, there's a fair bit of odd registry stuff going on period. Like I said, I'm an amateur, so if there are any non-amateur people out there who would be able to explain why it's poking at keys that are apparently associated with internet explorer, I'd appreciate it. It seems to like my IE cookies, too.

In my totally professional opinion, the EGS client appears to have a severe mental disorder, as it loves talking to itself.

I'm sure that this hardware survey information it's apparently storing in the registry won't be used for anything nefarious or identifiable at all. Steam is at least nice enough to ask you to partake in their hardware surveys.

Now that's just what it's doing locally on the computer. Let's look at traffic briefly. Fiddler will, if you let it, install dank new root certs and sniff out/decrypt SSL traffic for you. Using it and actually reading through results is a right pain though, and gives me a headache - and I only let the Epic client run long enough to log in, download slime rancher, click a few things, and then I terminated the process. Even that gave me an absolute shitload of traffic to look through, despite filtering out the actual download traffic. The big concern that everyone has is tracking, right? Well, Epic does that in SPADES. Look at all those requests. Look at the delicious "tracking.js". Mmm, I'm sure Xi Jinping is going to love it. Here's a copy of that script, I couldn't make heads or tails of it, but I'm also unfamiliar with JS. It looks less readable than PERL, though.

I didn't see any massive red flags in the traffic. I didn't see any root certs being created. But I also had 279 logged connections to look at by hand, on an old laptop, and simply couldn't view it all, there's an absolute fuckload of noise to go through, and I didn't leave the client running for very long. It already took me hours to sort through the traffic, not to mention several hundred thousand entries in ProcMon.

[Exia]

Dobili su dve milke a to je duplo (i više) nego što su dobili od backera, sve je tu jasno kinezi imaju para za trošenje. Iskreno se nadam da će igrači bojkotovati igru.

[dex3108]

Epic Client skenira Steam folder i prikuplja podatke o koristenju Steam-a.

Interesting. So I tried Epic Launcher and it searches for Steam

Then proceeds to enumerate all files in Steam Cloud (for every user that has ever logged in)

Then it will read file containing your steam play history, friends and groups

For me this is 13.50 megabytes

then writes something encrypted to "C:\ProgramData\Epic\SocialBackup\RANDOM HEX CODE_STEAM ACCOUNT ID.bak"
totaling 13.51 megabytes

[Eni]

Ha, znači to je posredi. Neće zapravo da prodaju igre, nego da navedu ljude da instaliraju store kako bi se osvetili Gabenu što je blokirao steamspy! Galoykin pročitan!

[dex3108]

Odgovorili iz Epic-a

We use a tracking pixel (tracking.js) for our Support-A-Creator program so we can pay creators. We also track page statistics.

The launcher sends a hardware survey (CPU, GPU, and the like) at a regular interval as outlined in our privacy policy (see the “Information We Collect or Receive” section). You can find the code here.

The UDP traffic highlighted in this post is a launcher feature for communication with the Unreal Editor. The source of the underlying system is available on github.

The majority of the launcher UI is implemented using web technology that is being rendered by Chromium (which is open source). The root certificate and cookie access mentioned above is a result of normal web browser start up.

The launcher scans your active processes to prevent updating games that are currently running. This information is not sent to Epic.

We only import your Steam friends with your explicit permission. The launcher makes an encrypted local copy of your localconfig.vdf Steam file. However information from this file is only sent to Epic if you choose to import your Steam friends, and then only hashed ids of your friends are sent and no other information from the file.

Epic is controlled by Tim Sweeney. We have lots of external shareholders, none of whom have access to customer data.

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Daniel Vogel

VP of Engineering

Epic Games Inc.

Pod broj jedan zasto kopiraju fajl bez pristanka korisnika?

Pod broj dva zasto koriste podatke sa diska korisnika kada postoji Steam API koji svi ostali koriste kada zele da povezu svoj sistem sa Steam-om (kao npr. Apex Legends)?

https://www.reddit.com/r/PhoenixPoin...d_you/eijlbge/

[dex3108]

Epic Launcher je poceo da kopira ove fajlove pocetkom maja prosle godine. Sredinom aprila prosle godine je Steam prebacio sve profile u private da ispostuje GDPR. Pogodite ko se najvise bunio kada je Valve to uradio? Yeap Sergey Galyonkin koji je u to vrijeme radio za Epic. I sad sasvim slucajno sve sedmice nakon "blokade" SteamSpy-a Epic Launcher pocinje da cita Steam usage fajl sa diska.

[Exia]

Epic Games Store roadmap revealed; Cloud Saves, Mod Support, Achievements and more

[Eni]

A ja taman obrisao... eto ti...

[dex3108]

Tim Sweeney potvrdio, sve Epic Store ekskluzive ce biti dostupne samo na Epic Store-u. Prodavnice poput GMG-a nece moci da prodaju kljuceve.

[DeCoy]

Pa sa profit marginom sa kojom Epic posluje nikom drugom se ne bi ni isplatilo da prodaje njihove ključeve. Redimo, GMG uzme 30% nasleđenih sa Steama i onda se odriče dela zarade od tih 30% dajući veće popuste u nadi da će prodati više kopija. Toga nema sa 12% ili koliko već kod Epica.

[dex3108]

Misli se na igre poput Division 2 gdje je Ubisoft mogao da prodaje UPlay kljuceve.

[dex3108]

Heavy Rain, The Outer Worlds, Ancestors, Journey to the Savage Planet...

https://twitter.com/EpicGames/status...97788084076544

[DeCoy]

Oxenfree, za dve sedmice The Witness.

[DBrave]

Fine igre za dz : Subnautica, What Remains of Edith Finch, Oxenfree, The Witness...
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